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		<title>Comment on Scotland&#8217;s currency paradox by #Greek #euro exit may not be so horrifying &#171; Emergent Economics</title>
		<link>http://emergenteconomics.com/2012/02/15/scotlands-currency-paradox/#comment-407</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[#Greek #euro exit may not be so horrifying &#171; Emergent Economics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 14:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] meant that most governments periodically thumbed their noses at the rules. As I noted in this post, a paper by the Graduate Institute in Geneva found that France breached the spending limits in [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] meant that most governments periodically thumbed their noses at the rules. As I noted in this post, a paper by the Graduate Institute in Geneva found that France breached the spending limits in [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cameron and Osborne have padlocked themselves into a sports bag by Dan</title>
		<link>http://emergenteconomics.com/2012/05/04/cameron-and-osborne-have-padlocked-themselves-into-a-sports-bag/#comment-402</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 10:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The rhetoric of austerity never ceases to astonish me. You&#039;d think that Osborne, with his 2:1 in history, would know about the great depression. But no; they continue to witter on about the importance of continuing with their difficult task. The battle isn&#039;t being fought over what&#039;s objectively right or wrong. As you say, we already know what should be done. It&#039;s a propaganda war which the sensible appear to be losing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rhetoric of austerity never ceases to astonish me. You&#8217;d think that Osborne, with his 2:1 in history, would know about the great depression. But no; they continue to witter on about the importance of continuing with their difficult task. The battle isn&#8217;t being fought over what&#8217;s objectively right or wrong. As you say, we already know what should be done. It&#8217;s a propaganda war which the sensible appear to be losing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cameron and Osborne have padlocked themselves into a sports bag by Tom James (@TACJ)</title>
		<link>http://emergenteconomics.com/2012/05/04/cameron-and-osborne-have-padlocked-themselves-into-a-sports-bag/#comment-400</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom James (@TACJ)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 21:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The worst thing about the &quot;household credit analogy&quot; is it doesn&#039;t even work on its own terms.

Consider a household in which the main breadwinner loses their job. The household *could* respond by reducing spending, but in most situations that doesn&#039;t help much. You still have mouths to feed and an unemployed breadwinner. So maybe the breadwinner goes back to university to do a Master&#039;s degree, or retrain, or whatever. Maybe the breadwinner takes out a loan to pay the tuition fees (analogous to borrowing and spending to get out the recession).

The frustrating thing about all this is that our economic problems are actually fairly tractable. We know the solutions but are rulers are too ignorant and selfish to implement them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The worst thing about the &#8220;household credit analogy&#8221; is it doesn&#8217;t even work on its own terms.</p>
<p>Consider a household in which the main breadwinner loses their job. The household *could* respond by reducing spending, but in most situations that doesn&#8217;t help much. You still have mouths to feed and an unemployed breadwinner. So maybe the breadwinner goes back to university to do a Master&#8217;s degree, or retrain, or whatever. Maybe the breadwinner takes out a loan to pay the tuition fees (analogous to borrowing and spending to get out the recession).</p>
<p>The frustrating thing about all this is that our economic problems are actually fairly tractable. We know the solutions but are rulers are too ignorant and selfish to implement them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How not to run an economy by Dan</title>
		<link>http://emergenteconomics.com/2012/04/27/how-not-to-run-an-economy/#comment-374</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, it&#039;d be interesting to see. Evidence obviously points to a shift in wealth toward the wealthy. 

I&#039;m always a bit wary of making such a big deal out of GDP, for all the well-worn reasons -- because it&#039;s aggregationist, it adds negative externalities, it ignores wellbeing, but it has the merit of at least allowing you to tackle its proponents on their own terms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it&#8217;d be interesting to see. Evidence obviously points to a shift in wealth toward the wealthy. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m always a bit wary of making such a big deal out of GDP, for all the well-worn reasons &#8212; because it&#8217;s aggregationist, it adds negative externalities, it ignores wellbeing, but it has the merit of at least allowing you to tackle its proponents on their own terms.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How not to run an economy by Unlearningecon</title>
		<link>http://emergenteconomics.com/2012/04/27/how-not-to-run-an-economy/#comment-373</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Unlearningecon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder what growth looks like if you strip out the income gains at the top.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what growth looks like if you strip out the income gains at the top.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Poor economics by Dan</title>
		<link>http://emergenteconomics.com/2012/04/24/poor-economics/#comment-371</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks. You could say a lot more about the book -- I was really only trying to make a few comments about experimental economics. Some of the best bits of the book are when the authors actually ask poor people what they think; when they try to think from the perspective of the Indonesian labourer or the Indian farmer. In this sense it&#039;s almost the opposite of what passes for economics nowadays. Neoclassical economists would tend to make up a theory and gather abstract numerical data to support it. They would be unlikely to modify their results on the basis of ground-up empirical observation.

You&#039;re right that philosophically there are problems with the notion of controlled experiments in social sciences. Economies or economic situations are open systems in which it is very difficult to achieve closure by holding one variable constant.  

As the authors themselves are quick to point out, it&#039;s  doubtful whether the findings actually say much about development in general. For instance the last chapter is titled &#039;In place of a sweeping conclusion&#039;. 

Even when you think that you&#039;ve &#039;discovered&#039; something, interpreting your &#039;discovery&#039; always involves subjectivity, and there&#039;s nothing wrong with that. It&#039;s in the nature of social science. I never ceased to be amazed at the different ways in which people can interpret data. But the problem comes when you pretend that your research is grounded in irrefutable truth because of your own expert scientific techniques. 

Funnily enough, and as William Easterly tweeted, few of the assertions in the Guardian interview are actually based on experiments. Just like most other celebrity economists, the authors are implicitly trying to legitimise their comments with an aura of scientism. It&#039;s as if they&#039;re saying &quot;We&#039;ve done hard science, so our ideas must be true&quot;. Social science is definitely possible, but most findings are provisional, subject to time and place, and need to be accompanied by a healthy dose of humility.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. You could say a lot more about the book &#8212; I was really only trying to make a few comments about experimental economics. Some of the best bits of the book are when the authors actually ask poor people what they think; when they try to think from the perspective of the Indonesian labourer or the Indian farmer. In this sense it&#8217;s almost the opposite of what passes for economics nowadays. Neoclassical economists would tend to make up a theory and gather abstract numerical data to support it. They would be unlikely to modify their results on the basis of ground-up empirical observation.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that philosophically there are problems with the notion of controlled experiments in social sciences. Economies or economic situations are open systems in which it is very difficult to achieve closure by holding one variable constant.  </p>
<p>As the authors themselves are quick to point out, it&#8217;s  doubtful whether the findings actually say much about development in general. For instance the last chapter is titled &#8216;In place of a sweeping conclusion&#8217;. </p>
<p>Even when you think that you&#8217;ve &#8216;discovered&#8217; something, interpreting your &#8216;discovery&#8217; always involves subjectivity, and there&#8217;s nothing wrong with that. It&#8217;s in the nature of social science. I never ceased to be amazed at the different ways in which people can interpret data. But the problem comes when you pretend that your research is grounded in irrefutable truth because of your own expert scientific techniques. </p>
<p>Funnily enough, and as William Easterly tweeted, few of the assertions in the Guardian interview are actually based on experiments. Just like most other celebrity economists, the authors are implicitly trying to legitimise their comments with an aura of scientism. It&#8217;s as if they&#8217;re saying &#8220;We&#8217;ve done hard science, so our ideas must be true&#8221;. Social science is definitely possible, but most findings are provisional, subject to time and place, and need to be accompanied by a healthy dose of humility.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Poor economics by Yurendra</title>
		<link>http://emergenteconomics.com/2012/04/24/poor-economics/#comment-368</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yurendra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very interesting review, Dan. If I may say so, I find it to better than the one provided by the Guardian on &#039;Poor Economics&#039;. Few things spring to mind reading the above (in addition to what you&#039;ve said):

- I find the very act of &#039;controlled trials&#039; in the social field very problematic on a number of levels. Firstly it is very difficult to control anything in any society, unless one is Kim Jong(s) (even then?). Secondly, what is &#039;controlled for&#039; might be all the interesting bits. And thirdly, a social science approach based one that goes around &#039;controlling things&#039; is undesirable, particularly in terms of knowledge that is drawn from such exercises and policies designed thereafter. Here one is reminded of Hayek&#039;s &#039;Road to Serfdom&#039;.

- On the specifics such as &#039;micro-finance&#039; (MFs) , the limitations of which Poor Economics has presented, maybe all too apparent if one were to spend time in the communities with such schemes and critically observe. My own observation has been: 
(1) MFs (many which are based on the principle of reaching financial sustainability) merely tap into existing skills (capabilities) rather than add/create new ones. Consequently, there exists a inverted U-shaped diminishing returns on MFs over time; i.e. high returns in the beginning but it diminishes as existing capabilities are exhausted and new ones are not added. The latter is constrained because Banks (which MFs principally are based on) are interested in lending and accruing interests, not building capacities.
(2) MFs merely allow households to move along existing production possibility frontiers, rather than shift it outwards. The latter has as much to do with individual/household capacities as it has with the (production) capacities of country itself. This is why despite of MFs, workers in my country (Nepal) choose to work in the Middle East and East Asia to take advantage of the production processes there (because there are few back home) and accrue higher returns on their labour.

I agree with you in that the issue of reflexivity is central to how we go about &#039;researching&#039; as well as &#039;theorising&#039; the problems and possibilities of development.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting review, Dan. If I may say so, I find it to better than the one provided by the Guardian on &#8216;Poor Economics&#8217;. Few things spring to mind reading the above (in addition to what you&#8217;ve said):</p>
<p>- I find the very act of &#8216;controlled trials&#8217; in the social field very problematic on a number of levels. Firstly it is very difficult to control anything in any society, unless one is Kim Jong(s) (even then?). Secondly, what is &#8216;controlled for&#8217; might be all the interesting bits. And thirdly, a social science approach based one that goes around &#8216;controlling things&#8217; is undesirable, particularly in terms of knowledge that is drawn from such exercises and policies designed thereafter. Here one is reminded of Hayek&#8217;s &#8216;Road to Serfdom&#8217;.</p>
<p>- On the specifics such as &#8216;micro-finance&#8217; (MFs) , the limitations of which Poor Economics has presented, maybe all too apparent if one were to spend time in the communities with such schemes and critically observe. My own observation has been:<br />
(1) MFs (many which are based on the principle of reaching financial sustainability) merely tap into existing skills (capabilities) rather than add/create new ones. Consequently, there exists a inverted U-shaped diminishing returns on MFs over time; i.e. high returns in the beginning but it diminishes as existing capabilities are exhausted and new ones are not added. The latter is constrained because Banks (which MFs principally are based on) are interested in lending and accruing interests, not building capacities.<br />
(2) MFs merely allow households to move along existing production possibility frontiers, rather than shift it outwards. The latter has as much to do with individual/household capacities as it has with the (production) capacities of country itself. This is why despite of MFs, workers in my country (Nepal) choose to work in the Middle East and East Asia to take advantage of the production processes there (because there are few back home) and accrue higher returns on their labour.</p>
<p>I agree with you in that the issue of reflexivity is central to how we go about &#8216;researching&#8217; as well as &#8216;theorising&#8217; the problems and possibilities of development.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On development blueprints and Kalecki by Dan</title>
		<link>http://emergenteconomics.com/2012/04/11/on-development-blueprints-and-kalecki/#comment-359</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Andy. I do think that one of the sins of the mainstream (and some of the heterodoxy), is to preach from the academy (if, as you say, Phil&#039;s a journo, he&#039;s not guilty of that). Bourdieu, amongst others, offers an alternative: a kind of embedded empiricism which recognises the fallibility of sweeping theories and the problems with pretending to be objective. I suspect that most people in the countries that have been the recipients of macroeconomics &#039;advice&#039; will tell you that economists should go and live there for at least a few months before saying anything. Or better still, ask a local what they think and actually do what they say rather than paying lip-service. On my travels i&#039;m often horrified by the arrogance of foreign advisers, who&#039;ve seemingly decided their answers on the outward plane journey.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Andy. I do think that one of the sins of the mainstream (and some of the heterodoxy), is to preach from the academy (if, as you say, Phil&#8217;s a journo, he&#8217;s not guilty of that). Bourdieu, amongst others, offers an alternative: a kind of embedded empiricism which recognises the fallibility of sweeping theories and the problems with pretending to be objective. I suspect that most people in the countries that have been the recipients of macroeconomics &#8216;advice&#8217; will tell you that economists should go and live there for at least a few months before saying anything. Or better still, ask a local what they think and actually do what they say rather than paying lip-service. On my travels i&#8217;m often horrified by the arrogance of foreign advisers, who&#8217;ve seemingly decided their answers on the outward plane journey.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On development blueprints and Kalecki by AndyMMT</title>
		<link>http://emergenteconomics.com/2012/04/11/on-development-blueprints-and-kalecki/#comment-357</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AndyMMT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks really good post and certainly some things to think about with developing countries. MMT does tend to concentrate on the usual countries probably not surprisngly so far, as it spreads hopefully will see individuals bringing something in. 

Just one thing Phil P is an Irish Journo hes not British I think (or at least certainly lives and works in Dublin)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks really good post and certainly some things to think about with developing countries. MMT does tend to concentrate on the usual countries probably not surprisngly so far, as it spreads hopefully will see individuals bringing something in. </p>
<p>Just one thing Phil P is an Irish Journo hes not British I think (or at least certainly lives and works in Dublin)</p>
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		<title>Comment on The fury of bigots by Breaking the debt habit &#171; Emergent Economics</title>
		<link>http://emergenteconomics.com/2010/08/10/the-fury-of-bigots/#comment-356</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Breaking the debt habit &#171; Emergent Economics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] about which journals to publish in. David Hume was cast as a dangerous radical and at first was excluded from academia. Hume didn’t publish his Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion because it was so [...]]]></description>
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